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Discussion in 'Archive' started by iboyanov, Apr 15, 2014.

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  1. iboyanov

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    plus shmigol and rommeo, who are isses and bot on the other side of the bridge.

    yes, i have made a ticket about this and i would really like to see some results, but i would like to share this here also. i came here from ncwest, known as botland paradise. prove that you wage a war against bots on your server and that you respect your community, unlike some aforementioned servers. all of those were just brought back to their spots in dragon valley after the restart. they do this all week and from time to time they are monitored by their owners. observe them for few days and erase this tumor from the server. everyone who is not aware of this infestation on dracos, is free to port dragon valley entrance and go inside to see for himself. any hour is good, they "work" 24/7 in my expirience.
    again i urge you to prove that here is a different place with different game environment, otherwise, i am sure that you will disappoint a lot of people.
     
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  2. Ksaviera

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    now go in gog :d

    and in mos and all place for bots its full :d
     
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  3. Christian

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    bro i don't want to depress you but those bots are at least 3 months old . you can open 100 tickets and they won't get banned mostly because gm's don t work during the night/weekend and they only bot during evening/night and weekend. same situation with the rest of the zones(gog,mos,4s,etcetc) . during the day bot free , during evening/night+weekend full of bots. at least you can farm during the day if you want!
     
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  4. Ksaviera

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    bro i don`t wanna depress u eighter, but they are offensive and now turn on to 24/7 mode. its so obvious and nobody takes action. the new event with blessed r99 weapon.....proves even more to me this server is going to die soon. if you can call that event xdddd.

    reporting them giving them tickets bla bla .... videos. we done more movie length then warner bros.

    i got 60 screenshots of bots only for my personal view. moderators of this forum seems to support the dark side ... since they delete posts xdd.

    true story innova gonna die as west did in few months .

    frost havent been updated since 1-2 months havent checked the exact time.

    there was once upon a time there was a cool server.

    too bad ... ncwest clients left ncwest because it is ****. l2store is redicilous. bad news for you. you re gonna turn this server to the same **** as well.

    anyway nothing of this matters since they put r 99 blessed from 30euro to 60euro max per piece.

    get used to play this non-sense or you know where is the exit of the game button.
     
  5. iboyanov

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    well, i believe that with little effort from the game masters, everything will be cleaned up over a day. i got no quarrel with people donating thousands of euro or not sleeping well for weeks to advance in this game - they all sacrifice something to gain more, it is allright. but bots are something completely different. i would really like to see some actions here. i am pretty sure it is not at all hard. if i was gm with the sole responsibility to look for bots, this place will be cleaner that an operation room.
    little effort from my side in this case - to point out all those cheaters - should be adressed with little effort from gms, i think.
    seems fair. quid pro quo. then i don't quit and continue to buy stuff, they continue to get paid and everything is in it's right place. yes?
     
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  6. DeepBlue

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    easier said then done, which is what we keep explaining to you all. it is not as simple as someone saying "look a bot" ok we get rid of it. there are processes to follow to investigate and check all claims and to gather enough evidence to be 100% sure they are botting before we can take any actions.

    what you say is kind of like saying...well if i was a police officer my streets would be as clean as an operating room, sadly a criminal still has to have evidence gathered against him/her to prove that he/she did it and that takes time. oh and you would be shocked at just how dirty some operating rooms actually are ;)
     
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  7. qre8ive

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    so when someone reports a wynn without buffs on drakos you will put a full investigation on him first and let them bot in the meantime? it's really obvious they are bots, all geared the same, all same buffs, etc.

    why don't you ban them first. then if someone is unrightfully banned they can get refund of lost time in pa or some chocolate. but i highly doubt bots like those wynns without buffs will contact support if they get banned....

    of course you can't instantly ban all reported bots, but some are so obvious that you shouldn't even put so much effort into them. these are usually the ones who are most visible and destroy the fun for players.

    to give an example like real world. if you're a suspect in a murder case, the police will arrest you and put you in custody. if then after 24-96h there is not enough evidence they are forced to release you. why not have a similar process for handling bots? i'm sure if you put a real bot in a 'holding cell' they won't bother to fight for their justice, instead they will make a new char. this way you will have a room full of chars who all look the same, with similar items in inventory etc etc
     
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  8. Onyx

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    actually, no. many people do it even when we have made it absolutely clear they are botting.

    we can't ban anyone on a basis "it is obvious he's a bot". we need proof more solid than that. and getting proof takes time.
    besides, we can't suspend "more obvious" bots and not suspend "less obvious". if we do something, we do it to all suspected of botting chars. and if we say "hey, fellows, we suspend for 24 hours everyone who's reported to be botting" there will be petitions war.
     
  9. qre8ive

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    so as i said... those unbuffed wynn summoners who are clearly bots (don't tell me 20 people go out and actively farm drakos with the same wynn summoners) are getting the same amount of attention and investigation as the ones who aren't obvious?

    how about putting someone on bothunt duty and give this person random work hours (also late in evening or during the night sometimes). this person can do some tests live and make a judgement on the spot. i'm sure it would eliminate many bots a lot faster.

    anyways i can understand you don't want to ban the wrong people, but at some point when the amount of bots keep growing... and the amount of investigation is not growing... there need to be other ways to handle them faster.
     
  10. MinimalPassion

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    those screens you did its like ...paparazii , you don't prove nothing them are bots...also you don't have gm's experience to do this , there are alot of tests you can't do like an normal player so stop cryin for nothing ! and let gm do his job ..****ing kids

    all says : omg they bot 24/7 , are you online 24/7 to see if they are 24/7 ??? why you don't think twice before posting ..dumb
     
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  11. qre8ive

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    stop licking gms ***... and go see for yourself. if in dragon valley you see 10 wynn summoners all the same gear, all without buff... and they are there many many hours for killing drakos 1 by 1 and picking up before they attack next target... do you actually think those are real players? perhaps you've never botted so you don't know how they move, or you're just unable to see the patterns...

    caution101 & cappyf i've reported on 26 december 2013 for same reason (botting in dv) but they're still operating today. gz innova... really zero trust on the botremoval :)

    edit: you can see those 2 are old bots btw since they are still using a bow instead of retributer...
     
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  12. Vygag

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    oh god... do you even know why this server got 90% of its population? its because people was talking about lets say "legendary" gms at innova everywhere. i my self heard about innova while i was playing at nc and clan was talking how here gms literally ****** bots with no mercy, hunting them down even at nights and ban them permanently on sight, about bot protection that actually was working for most bot programs, about l2store with only accessories in it.

    these cruel to bots gms, understanding real gamers needs and being them self gamers made innova famous not some sorry *** "it specialist" that see this game for the first time at his work, that "need proof" to take actions. only nolifer can understand another nolifer and make game enjoyable and its really not some "it specialist" for who this is just work and not passion&life style.

    and if you really think that people keep talking about innova everywhere while doing such actions like durring few past month (l2 store "event", search of "proof" to ban bots) when innova is no different than nc already. so why keep playing in some "private server" if you can get same experience at bot friendly official one?
     
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  13. RedWind

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    thats true. there is a opinion of good gms work on innova servers. we are still waiting for anti bots action and new direction about this kind.

    {new gm for it ?? with rights only for find and ban bots/ answer to players q. on game chat}
     
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    i am sorry but all i see is excuses. first you are asking people to report/capture etc bots/exploits/bugs. then when good people (not me) do it you starting to excuse yourself instead of doing something. it is obvious that you dont want to ban the bots, cuz they make your server loooks full and they are selling adena and chars and buying drop-rate **** from l2store and they actually giving you real money. i dont know what is your money scheme and i dont care. but when you open a server and pretend to work, at least imitate work. for real.... people escaped from ncsoft because of this, if you want their destiny go ahead.
    and btw: you wont need to follow/scout bots if you just upgrade your security programs. also you can contact some of those people that creates those scripts and ask them how they work even buying from them those scripts so you know how to defend from them.

    i personally never report anyting in lineage2. i know many people, who play this game and none of their reports were actually helpfull to any server. so reporting is just your way of washing your hands. you are saying that you need to investigate and watch very close those botting poeple. ok. if i create a bot party and i am active with them (1 controls 7 chars, the bot programs allow you that) you will never bann me because i am active at least on one. even if i am not active if i bot for 1 month i will make enough money just to not care and create 7 new accounts and start all over. for 1 week i will have full party of 90 chars botting wherever i want. and you will need another month to investigate me ? what i 10 people do this? what if 100 people do this????
    i will ask then all the people who read forums to create chars and to start bot with them, and i mean all! so when you see only bots when you log in in this server, you may understand that you are losing your job.
     
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    this is something that gms have to realise but wont realise. :))
     
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    these screens prove nothing. no video no prof.
     
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    lol if you ever botted yourself in ncwest or privates and you see these wynn in action ... trust me you'll change your mind :). no player plays perfect (i mean moving around etc), bot do :) it's really simple.

    it's the randomness of real players that can tell you easily if someone is a bot or not. if they are too perfect there is just few checks to confirm it and take actions...
     
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  18. ImYourChrist

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    log in game and clean up these areas, but dont only ban bots as it is not a solution. ban the bot owner. cheers
     
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    there needs to be more action on the bot front soon ... adena sellers back and i even saw some noob spoiler bots with bad configurations (picking up everything etc)...

    edit... this adena seller in aden is really spamming like crazy ... wake up ... looks like frost leak has spreaded :)
     
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  20. iboyanov

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    cm onyx and deepblue, no offense, but if what you actually wrote here is what you actually think, then you are clueless about botting overall. i have came here from ncwest, i had 4 clients botting constantly there and believe me i know how a bot looks like. i know "believe me" doesn't prove anything to you, but as i mentioned, you surely look like people who had zero experience with bots, so it doesn't really matter.
    the ball is in your field thought - i don't really need to persuade you in thinking anything you don't want to or can't comprehend, but you must persuade people that moved here solely for the reason that your server is not bot paradise as their last one.
    all refferences with real life criminals are totally inappropriate.

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    oh god... do you even know why this server got 90% of its population? its because people was talking about lets say "legendary" gms at innova everywhere. i my self heard about innova while i was playing at nc and clan was talking how here gms literally ****** bots with no mercy, hunting them down even at nights and ban them permanently on sight, about bot protection that actually was working for most bot programs, about l2store with only accessories in it.

    these cruel to bots gms, understanding real gamers needs and being them self gamers made innova famous not some sorry *** "it specialist" that see this game for the first time at his work, that "need proof" to take actions. only nolifer can understand another nolifer and make game enjoyable and its really not some "it specialist" for who this is just work and not passion&life style.

    and if you really think that people keep talking about innova everywhere while doing such actions like durring few past month (l2 store "event", search of "proof" to ban bots) when innova is no different than nc already. so why keep playing in some "private server" if you can get same experience at bot friendly official one?
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    dear sir, you really know what you are talking about!

    listen to your community and suggest to your superiors to put an experienced l2 player for a sheriff to clear up profitable zones day and night, because this is essential to your survival. for 300 euro salary, which is probably what every high-end cp here dotanes monthly, you can hire a person from romania/bulgaria/macedonia to do this :).
    take a quick look at ncwest, which is now a graveyard, cause of poor management and learn from their mistakes.

    cheers, mates
     
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