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dagger damage:share your opinions

Discussion in 'Othell Rogue' started by Elyath, Jan 13, 2015.

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  1. Elyath

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    hi all,
    i just wanted to know your pov about dagger general dps,
    cause lately i've noticed a sort of nerf,
    never read anything in patchnote but i see i hit a lot less than before:

    i have a medium-high level equipment(not top but better than average),i am wr 99 full dex setup,dye +15 ,hat+3,r99 set+6 120 all,octavis shirt,weapon s80 300 cd+10 pvp(so no top but better than r99 1 sa according to every test you read around),
    2 cd rings aq soul and normal baium,tezza soul,normal istina earring,bless zaken earring,pvp skill belt,ruby/pearl/diamond/obsidian lv3,blow skills+7,hunter tali,hellfire tali,
    and vs many 99 robe users(healers/mages/seer)i hit from 5-7k to 10-15k(and i know i must hit form behind and after critical wound and hearth breaker first),so killing them become almost impossible.

    also,
    what are your strategies vs feoh/healers/seer?


    cause vs healers they got a giga pool of hp and oneshotting with a lucky bloodstab has become impossible.
    same vs feoh(arcane barrier+10+crystal from is 30 sec of immortality,if you add disparition is 35 secs,add donor shirts too and well...).
    vs seer?their debuffs almost always land and are untargettable too,
    i just pray to get their target and land a shadow chase hoping to make enough damage,
    if i'm not dead before cause i got it often 25k from seer and i have like 5200 mdef.

    i just like to hear your opinions.
    regards.
     
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  2. Yolai

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    hmm i wouldnt call it nerf, just that ppl changed their setup to not get oneshoted by daggers.
    i think the recent "l2store events" helped some ppl to survive more as well.

    do u have 16ap? maybe some experienced dagger can give u some advices on the ability trees.

    just keep in mind u cant expect to have great damage output and not getting "25k on 5200mdef". daggers are mostly glass cannons unless u want to spend a few thousand of euros on items and overenchant them to the max
     
  3. Seivlas

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    if you look closely, you'll notice that in every event or new items introduced, defense is superior to attack.
    brooch defense part : brooch itself (basically a free jewel in mdef), pvp damage reduction, mdef, pdef
    brooch attack part : attribute attack (+12% dmg) and ss or bss dmg (+20% ss dmg, so i'd assume +10% total dmg if you count your total dmg as : base damage + ( 100% base dmg (ss or bss bonus) *1.2 (brooch bonus)) = 220% base dmg.
    so you win about 22% dmg while you win with the obsi alone -15% dmg, and the mdef/pdef which increase by a ****ton (again -15-20% dmg).

    and this observation can be made by looking at kinda every item in the game, so as your stuff goes on, your defense will go further than your attack (look talisman hunter, shirt, ...)

    so yeah, that's why in oly healers are beasts. cause in endgame you won't be able to kill them
     
  4. t0mas

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    i have tested full dex wr before and i didn't find it so good. maybe go for some str.
    vs feoh invul just spam fake death till it's gone then stun, cw and full dmg.
    vs seer just soe to town that class is so lame to fight if you don't have god gear, they don't deserve 1v1 ^^
     
  5. vvvlm

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    i can die now, i have seen it all...
     
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  6. Seivlas

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    no, the op is totally right, like feohs. feohs currently have low damage, they need a huge buff.
     
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  7. BloodDivine

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    this. brooches kinda made the pvp last longer. keep also in mind that there's the melee weapon resistance buff and -30% stab damage from hunter talisman. try to raise your ruby lvl to 4 (i know it's kinda hard), maybe change your soul tezza to octavis necklace and try it out. you also need 14 ap to max your damage output. +10 skills are a big boost (at least make bloodstab or so)
     
  8. golemka

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    dont forget about attribute ...
     
  9. BloodDivine

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    what do u mean

    on another sidenot: don't bother with str dyes, the skill damage increase is too low to bother with (3% per 15 str if i remember correctly)
     
  10. Elyath

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    ap's also, 7s + longing (kinda ebay, yep) also, fishing agathion also , you dont need to have lv5 opal unless you are going to sell your kidney for a lv5 one ;)

    lv3 jewels are more than enough for a guy who has brain and not spending on store

    if id be you id go for knight tree ap's for the skill crit rate/dmg/attribute def/atk and maybe id take the accuracy one for the passive mirage (havent tested yet, if someone has experience with it please share ...)

    from dual mental/physical trait, but you have "mid jewelry" so you may take also master rage + hp from dual

    my opinion would be like this
     
  12. BloodDivine

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    mirage chance is extremelly low (like 2% or something) , same as master rage.

    also i'd prefer ruby instead of opal unless i have at least an agathion for attribute attack and/or opal lvl 4
     
  13. Elyath

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    i have only 8 ap till now and yes i'm going all knight tree,
    about dual certs i got mental/phisical trait,
    like blooddivine said mirage and master rage trigger very low according to all people i've heard so mirage is last thing i'll spend ap on and i'll keep mental/phisical trait.

    about element resist many people have something like 500 res,
    and getting resists is waaaaaaaaaaaay more easyer than getting attack element,
    unless you have a real crazy wallet.

    so big deal is dps,
    i should get opal lv5,r99 dual sa,and critical damage augment from giant life stone....going playing lottery.
     
  14. BloodDivine

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    even lvl 4 opal is good enough if u consider having 50 element attack from aps. imho noble elements is maybe the best ability ever given
     
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