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PP (prophet)

Discussion in 'Class Discussion' started by MAGiukstis, May 6, 2015.

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  1. MAGiukstis

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    hi all. i would like to know yours opinion about pp class in l2 classic. what are pros and cons?
     
  2. Zenaj

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    pros: good buffs and lots of them, got some (limited) healing abilities
    cons: can't buff all party at once as wc, and buffing each player individually gets boring pretty fast

    imo, pp is best suited for smaller parties, or for archer parties
     
  3. MAGiukstis

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    i found this wideo about all buffers. pp, se, ee and wc are compared. what do you think about that? :)
     
  4. wtfred

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    would be great if someone can provide a translation :)
     
  5. MAGiukstis

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    1 more video, when pp 62lvl windstriking pretty hard but this guy outlevel & outgear those poor guys in cruma tower. have fun ;)
     
  6. KoBa4a

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    + excellent buffs for all classes

    - slowly gives a whole group buffs

    suited for:
    all classes that do not need mp
     
  7. dty//

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    just keep in mind that you'll be completely oom for a long time after you've buffed a full pt and if you don't have top robes with mp+, most of the times you won't be able to buff even half the party (unless you have a recharger)
     
  8. fagercraft

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    all mage weapons in age of war d grade+ gets mp regen as sa. fyi.
     
  9. Luminight

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    prophets battle heal is more than sufficient for most pve situations given the lower max hp in game atm
     
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  10. Kabulozo

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    pp is the worst buffer. period. only good as a boxed buffer for your main char, or a max 3 players party.
     
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    pp is awesome in pvp, root root root, supplemental heals, root root root
     
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  12. dty//

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    sure, when you buff your whole pt, you're oom (most of the times even before every1 is buffed) if anyone dies in pvp and you have to rebuff, you'll be oom again

    you guys either didn't play c1 or you're mistaking this for interlude or something like that.


    just to remind you, you will be using devotion for at least 1-2 months
     
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  13. fagercraft

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    same for wc in devotion. he wont be able to do full buffround 48+ (maybe even 44+)

    and if someone dies wc needs full mp. pp needs what.. 15% mp for 1 char buffs?

    being oom is a problem for all buffers, not only pp.
     
  14. dty//

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    the thing is that a pp in devotion doesn't have enough mp for the full party to start with.
     
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    it was a rather sad class. you stood up to buff a few people, sat back down for the next couple of minutes, then stood back up to buff another few people, repeat process ad nauseam. great class to play if you want to tab out or have a second monitor to keep track of the party, terrible class in terms of game play and engagement. is ncsoft doing anything to rectify the situation? or will there simply a lot of bored prophets out there?
     
  16. fagercraft

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    neither does the wc in devotion 48+. and pp can put most used buffs on each character and optimise (shield only for tank, acumen only for casters etc etc).
    i recently played a 2 wc from start to 70+(hellbound patch and god patch), and using karmian on both 40+ i could not buff the last buff almost all lvls, had to sit for the last buff all the time. in karmian. devotion is out of the question, probably earlier then 48 even. and forget about fighting throwing dots sleeping or healing without recharger. same for pp.

    but luckely enough, any decent party in classic consists of 9ppl 1 buffer, 1 rechager/healer or 2 recharger/healer. couse you cant just buff vr then skip heals. and you cant buff and heal.

    also for small parties wc still sucks since it still cost full mp bar, while the other buffers can buff 2 persons and have lots of extra mp for offensive spells. unless you bring a recharger. (this is assuming you wanna throw all buffs, wc can also skip buffs that are less needed...)


    buffers is going to require good robes, maybe even regen sa wpns, pp will very much also want acumen wpn since he cant party buff as fast as wc for big parties.


    both are strong, both are weak. choose witch weakness and strog points you like most and go for the one that fits best :)
     
  17. dty//

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    weird, when i watched streams of lvl 36 - 50 wcs in devotion/mithril tunic they had enough mana at all levels :)
     
  18. fagercraft

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    wc lvl44 in devotion has: 1066 mp

    might lvl3: 156
    mdef lvl2: 139
    pdef lvl2: 105
    acumen lvl2: 154
    focus lvl1: 172
    dw lvl1: 154
    vr: 154
    ww lvl1: 69 (age of war patch) total: 1103 mp (-37mp)

    evasion lvl1: 139 total: 1242 mp (-176mp)

    wc lvl48 in devotion has: 1261 mp

    might lvl3: 156
    mdef lvl2: 139
    pdef lvl3: 139
    acumen lvl2: 154
    focus lvl1: 172
    dw lvl1: 154
    vr: 154
    ww lvl1: 69 (age of war patch)

    haste lvl1: 172
    guidance lvl1: 172 total: 1481 mp (-220mp)

    evasion lvl2: 172 total: 1653 mp (-392mp)


    karmian adds 257mp over devotion fyi.


    it is really tight with karmian, and even with karmian there are times where ou cant throw out all the buffs. but it is easy to go around this by staggering buffs, or simply ignoring 1-2 buffs depending on party (evasion can almost always be ignored)


    pp has more troubles at lvl 40 and 44, but that is becouse he gets his buffs earlier then the wc and has more stuff possible earlier. but for the sake of argument im going to put the pp in the 9 man fighter party (uker is np to buff) 1 heal, 1 recharge, 1 pp, 6 fighters (archer party all 6 fighters gets full dps buffs)

    prophet lvl44 selfbuffed has: 1129mp

    fighter buffs lvl44:
    might3 35
    shield3 39
    ww2 27
    haste1 39
    focus2 39
    dw1 35
    guid1 35
    zerk1 31
    mdef1 39
    btb1 39
    mental 35
    hw 23 total: 416 mp *6=2496

    caster buffs lvl44:
    acumen2 30
    shield3 39
    zerk1 31
    ww2 27
    bts1 39
    btb1 39
    mdef1 39
    mental 35
    conc 39 total: 318 mp *3=954

    total for archer party fullbuffs = 3450 mp

    looks like **** as previous posters said.

    lets see if pp can buff wc buffs for a 9 man party? (keep in mind pp is buffing higher lvl buffs and haste at lvl44, while wc is at 48 to do these buffs)

    pp again at lvl44 has in devotion selfbuffed: 1129 (lvl48: 1387)

    fighter buffs:
    might3 35
    shield3 39
    ww2 27
    haste1 39
    focus2 39
    dw1 35
    guid1 35
    mdef 39 total: 288 mp 6 = 1728

    caster buffs lvl44:
    acumen2 30
    shield3 39
    ww2 27
    mdef1 39 total: 135 mp*3 = 405

    total of whole party: 2133mp


    ok i have now done as detailed investigation as i can within the timeframe i have to spare here, hope you guys appriciate th enumbers. skill mp is from classic wiki, mp is from l2calc freya/h5 stats including passives and selfbuffs.


    my take on this is a pp will need recharger and carefull planning on how to buff a 9man fighter party. it can probably handle 4-5man parties on its own (fighters).
    this comparisson is also comparing a wc in its prime against a pp in its worst case scenario. but lvl40-50 is a very real lvl span on l2 classic so i think its fare to make a comparison here.

    the higher lvl you go, the better it gets for pp, while wc still recieves new buffs and higher lvls on them all the way to lvl 75 making his mp bar tight all the time.

    pp also has the option to buff alot better if mp is provided (recharge, staggering buffs, regen sa, divine set+) and buff better buffs at earlier levels then a wc. pp can also earlier provide uniqe buffs, and togheter with a recharger or healer that buffs the asic handle full optimized buffs even at early levels.

    wc does have advantages outside buffing (single target heal, sleep, dot, stun, soul cry(dmg)) while pp pretty much has buffs, heal, root.

    but both chars are going to have their hands full handeling the buffs mostely.

    im going to admit that there is alot of truth in saying pp cant buff full party, but a full party should have 1-2 rechargers (ee+se, ee+bish, se+bish) anyway.

    hope this infor was interesting, took me quite some effort to dig and type this! ;)
     
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  19. dty//

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    keep in mind that vr is useless, so u can substract 160 mp from wc buffs :)
     
  20. vanity

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    you forgot that ee can buff ww mental might hw and shield this way you can add some extra mana to the pp. even more buffs if you have se in your party. also recharger shouldnt have mana problems in archer party since your role will be just rech bishop/pp and bd/sws can handle just fine imo
     
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