1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

This IS balance

Discussion in 'Class Discussion' started by Alexsaysz, May 18, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Alexsaysz

    Alexsaysz User

    Joined:
    26.04.15
    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    127


    this is basically a small pvp between 2 top mage parties (same lvl, equipment, etc), new chronicles-lenght style (not the old quick 1-2 shot pvp) with much of the older gameplay.


    this basically shows that end-game "competitive" gameplay it's quite balanced, considering the buffs that melee classes got in the newest versions and the good mana management of archer parties (if you see, mana is quite important h5-style in end game pvp), so a melee/archer party equal to the mage parties of the video are probably going to give a good fight too.


    for early / mid game mage parties are probably the best choice, but now that in korea (where lastest version is) end game cps are reaching end-game, their power seems to be quite balanced compared to the power of other types of parties (you can argue that this is only small scale pvp, but in bigger pvps with equal sides, considering there's no 24/7 mana unlike +h5 chronicles, mage parties might be limited).


    also, consider that after eu server opens, it will take some time after toons start to get into mid game let alone late game, so the changes that are live on korea client (which almost all are related to +40 stuff) are probably gonna be already implemented (through updates) in the current eu classic server when these chars get to that stage.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2015
    QUinter and turnON like this.
  2. Kabulozo

    Kabulozo User

    Joined:
    08.05.15
    Messages:
    164
    Likes Received:
    32
    i only see nukers. don't put l2 and balance in the same sentence, mainly considering earlier chronicles which either dagger or nukers are above all.
     
  3. Yunalesca

    Yunalesca User

    Joined:
    31.12.12
    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    491
    "look guys, everybody plays with only ranged classes in this game,check out this video, and this video! look at that archer and that nuker..and that archer and that nuker again, its the most balanced game out there!!"
     
  4. Zenaj

    Zenaj User

    Joined:
    25.11.11
    Messages:
    62
    Likes Received:
    10
    > year 2015
    > people still hope ncsoft will balance all 31 classes

    top kek
     
  5. Kabulozo

    Kabulozo User

    Joined:
    08.05.15
    Messages:
    164
    Likes Received:
    32
    yes, the top parties will be either nuker or archer only parties. there is no room for a hybrid party composed of nukers-ranged-melee for example due to the imbalances among them and the incompatible buffs.
     
    Gottcha likes this.
  6. dty//

    dty// User

    Joined:
    24.04.15
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    53
    tbh classic is pretty much balanced when it comes to 9v9 etc, it's obvious and not different in any game that ranged classes have the advantage in mass pvps at first...
     
  7. Kabulozo

    Kabulozo User

    Joined:
    08.05.15
    Messages:
    164
    Likes Received:
    32
    i've been playing mmos since lineage 1 - ultima online - everquest times, played and play a lot of different mmos and l2 beats them all when it come to ranged - melee imbalances.
     
  8. vanity

    vanity Moderator

    Joined:
    29.11.11
    Messages:
    241
    Likes Received:
    53
    the panacea against ranged type dd's advantage was released together with kamaels (((doombringer,rush)trickster,pranah)) and everybody cryed about it being too op, i mean in gracia final chronicle per example a well melee party set up could beat everything out there. mages were still good but archers become almost useless ;)
     
  9. dty//

    dty// User

    Joined:
    24.04.15
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    53
    there are quite a lot of top ru pts which have for example 1-2 melees in their archer pts and there's also one top mage pt with a lvl 61 elemental summoner.
     
  10. dty//

    dty// User

    Joined:
    24.04.15
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    53
    those are old games, i've played tera/archeage/aion and a few f2p games, in all of those pvp oriented games, ranged classes were stronger in mass pvps, which is only natural, if 2 sides clash, the engage stage consists of melees poking each other, at one point one of the sides will rush the other side to obtain their objective and that's where melees come in, people should really know how mass pvps for epics work by now, u can watch any fraps from gk where they fight for core/aq/orfen, it's always the same, engage face ---> rush face because of looting rights
     
  11. Yunalesca

    Yunalesca User

    Joined:
    31.12.12
    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    491
    this is because l2 team were always unable to get a brain to realize 9 second stuns at low cooldown and giving shields of 100% resistance for 30 seconds is beyond stupid. it all ties down to cc and movement ability given to characters. but giving root 30 sec duration and fear that is spamable is even more ******ed..
     
  12. vanity

    vanity Moderator

    Joined:
    29.11.11
    Messages:
    241
    Likes Received:
    53
    indeed :d , they will realize at some point the thing is when ? who knows xd brainless koreans from ncsoft.
    we are forced to adapt current best set up ( archers,mages ) or play whatever we feel comfortable with.
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2015
  13. Alexsaysz

    Alexsaysz User

    Joined:
    26.04.15
    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    127
    they should add some type of cleanse or whatever (to bp only), some debuffs durations are too op.

    having sws debuffs, wc debuffs, and etc land this much is ok because it makes the chars more viable, but ol debuffs/some mage debuffs with long duration (necro for example) are too much in my opinion.


    they could also give melees some debuff resistance buff to counter this.


    a good melee party should be able to hold off mage parties long enough so that their mana is depleted, in mass pvp this must be way more difficult but mass pvp was ranged holy ground since ever because of how **** works.



    isnt this the more balanced l2 chronicle ever created? ncsoft has a long road until they achieve something really balanced, but if you see where we were and where we are now, things are going the right away.

    "but muh ranged early and mid game advantage, muh spells, muh aoe awesomess, muh, muh"

    go watch aoe warlord party from darkbaster on twitch in dv.
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2015
    TerraKill likes this.
  14. dty//

    dty// User

    Joined:
    24.04.15
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    53
    there is no necro debuff with long duration in classic, anchor is 5+5 secs and silence is 15 secs, gloom is 30 sec but that's fine because it's an essential debuff, besides that there is no op debuff that lasts too long or anything
     
  15. Alexsaysz

    Alexsaysz User

    Joined:
    26.04.15
    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    127
    i thought anchor lasted longer, nice, the problem with silence is that the ol silence is really long, and suspension (with its landrate) its also pretty significant (in normal chronicles were landrate was good but not that good and we had cleanse, it was ok, but now, imo is too strong).
     
  16. dty//

    dty// User

    Joined:
    24.04.15
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    53
    it's not that easy to get those skills tho, they're totally endgame and on gk seal of silence is 5kk atm and suspension tops at 6,5kk... they're not easy to get
     
  17. Janeway

    Janeway User

    Joined:
    19.05.15
    Messages:
    94
    Likes Received:
    18
    that is the worst pvp ever. both party setup and how they assist. or should i say lack of.

    balance maybe but no clue on the pvp.
     
  18. Yunalesca

    Yunalesca User

    Joined:
    31.12.12
    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    491
    pve4life sounds fun m8
     
  19. Alexsaysz

    Alexsaysz User

    Joined:
    26.04.15
    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    127
    good luck doing anything important in l2c without farming m8
     
  20. Yunalesca

    Yunalesca User

    Joined:
    31.12.12
    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes Received:
    491
    dont worry, pt of nukers can farm and pvp at same time m8. try to steal the spot with lol warlords
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.