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Dwarves - Still viable?

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Rakley, Nov 29, 2011.

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  1. Rakley

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    hi guys.

    i've been playing lineage 2 since c2. and since c2 i've been a dwarf as main (omg! crazy guy!) and i left it at freya.

    when i heard bout god chronicle and the new classes i got somehow excited, and thought "yay! uncle rak will be a warrior like a titan and will crush bones too!", and i decided to come back at lineage, a game that i thought was dead. after the weeks went on, i saw some of the new content and i got thrilled instead: gear to grade s in shop, so no craft/spoil needed at low lvl. soulshots in shop too. all rogues will be able to spoil from +85 so my class won't be unique, and r-grade gear will be easier to get by hunting raids than crafting and siege golems which aren't so popular anyway.

    dwarves have always had combat abilities quite inferior than all the other races, and in pvp they couldn't do much apart from be a walking stun with thousands of hp. i loved them anyway since they had a counterpart (giran/aden bussiness ftw) and more fun apart of kill moar kill moar kill moar. now with god i see that the alternative function of dwarves isn't useful anymore but maybe for r crafting, and their combat abilities are still below the others.

    so: do you think it has any sense to create a dwarf as main? what benefit has a bounty hunter over any other dagger? or a crafter over another melee class like tyrant/titan? i like the visual appearance of dwarves,but.. is this reason enough to make them viable?



    i really appreciate your oppinions, i'm so lost.
     
  2. hachre

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    basically at 85+ your dwarf will either be a warrior or a dagger. they will be full blown in their respective class and in no way underpowered. in fact the dwarven racial stats are among the best. also their racial skills are neat.

    furthermore as a dwarf you will get access to special craft at 85+ no matter which route you go and access to all siege summons.

    if you wanna go either warrior or dagger and love dwarf as a race then by all means take it!
     
  3. 1tm

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    yeah, as far as i know dwarves after awakening should be equal same as any other warrior or rogue.
    still something bothers me, so if you will have to exchange old skills to new ones, that means spoilers wont get switch/trick updated version nor other skills that they cant update to awakeining ones, because they doesn't had before awake? comparing to other class dwarves has way less skills than other classes has. what do you guys think? i missing something too. :d

    and well, its your choise what you prefer more, warrior-like or dagger class. warsmith will be usefull till 85 with its dwarf buffs and their summoned can. and spoiler for their party spoils, but dps isn't big tho. also rogue would be pretty decent option because of high str and con, quite suits for daggers.
     
  4. Soarecu

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    i'm a bit disappointed too, even though dwarves won't be underpowered after awakening i think they shouldn't have been lazy about it and should have created a separate path for them. this doesn't mean i won't still play one. i mean, come on, i'll be a sneaky dodgy assassin..who just happens to spend all his money at mcdonald's. that's funny ;)
     
  5. BloodOnFire

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    so basicly no fun with spoiling/crafting anymore :/. anyways, how well can a crafter do solo without dualbox. with dualbox is fine, with vr and summon he is killing machine, but how is gonna be the thing with buffs. till which level we have buffs from npc what buffs etc. are they going for summon too ?
     
  6. HuggyBear

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    after awake u will get every skill and u dont need the old ones to learn the new ones. also every dagger class(de,elf,human,dwarf) will get spoil. the only difference are : race stats , race skills and look.
     
  7. Rakley

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    since with the new fix to dex (doesn't affect speed anymore) i consider a dagger dwarf one of the dwarves with best stats. if i'm right most daggers will tattoo themselves with -dex +str now, since they dont need dex at all anymore, and dwarves have the less dex, high str and high con to max this out.

    anyway, somehow i find strange the idea of a bready, short and fat dwarf running around at 10000m/h with a knife in his hand instead of a huge axe for breaking bones. at least spoilers can do siege golems too now, lol. do you think they will be used again? i think they became useless few chronicles ago.
     
  8. MaoMao

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    i only used siege golems for fun. breaking the wall when ppl were busy some other place, but that was possible only in botland where presence at sieges is just a few ppl with their trains.
    it was always funny see whole trains try to kill the summon instead of me :d i did it almost naked, still level 6x dwarf was able to break wall and cause panic in castles defended by top bot clans.
    yeah, golems are fun, used intelligently and benefitting from the surprise element can be useful, but i dont know in real sieges with tons of real ppl and less auto.
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  9. Shabutaro

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    i will lol at sieges with decent pollution of dwarfs.. wtf 20 golems and 20 cannons on the run oo i would roll a dwarf if i'd like their appearance ^^ funny sieges ahead
     
  10. Steelen

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    i could be mistaken, but with stone of destiny you can become anything after 76... at least that is what i understood thus far form the official ncwest forums.

    if i am mistaken please let me know, i'd love to know if i can go dwarf healer :)
     
  11. Vivinia

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    it works only on ncsoft servers, those from innova are fresh -> no stone for you.

    hell, maybe later they will add it to premium shop.
     
  12. Rakley

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    only current users lv40+ on ncsoft servers gain a stone of destiny. new users/innova ones must lead the awakening followed by his current class. you will be able to "awake" your first subclass too so you will be able to have a dwarf healer, but you won't have any certificate :(
     
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  14. Mr_Kzimir

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    the are the money making race , why would you be weaker , even more when you can xclass as you like now ?
     
  15. Steelen

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    why? because after 85 (so awaken) you will be the same as any other class. nothing to special.
     
  16. Rakley

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    yaaaaaaaaay! :d thanks for the info.


    because i don't see they are "the money making race" anymore. read the whole first post.
     
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  17. Mr_Kzimir

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    okey nvm. this is more and more like a private server.
    guess you are just playing for the skin , for the crystals lol

    and eventually for the pole grouping
     
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  18. Soarecu

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    they can still craft stuff that others can't, but yes, they're not the moneymakers anymore.
     
  19. Rakley

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    and what do you think about their racial "ultimate"? elven have a physical and magical ultimate evasion, dark elves cant be debuffed or targeted, orcs can't die for few seconds (tryndamere, lol), humans can remove any control state on them and be invunerable to them for few secs too... and well, dwarves can throw surrounding enemies to the floor, just like a tyrr warrior skill.

    do you think it is underpowered? maybe creators did it less powerful than other racial "ultimates" because dwarves can summon siege golems at high level too... tough i dont find they are somehow useful anymore.

    oppinions!
     
  20. Mr_Kzimir

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    i think we should wait for cooldown informations aswell.

     
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