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Discussion in 'Class Discussion' started by Orcoso, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Orcoso

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    How much MP/Mdef a mage usually loses when they go +12 -15 men? at lvl 40 or whatever lvl people usually do their tats
     
  2. Naphoc

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    If the l2wh information is still correct:
    About 15% m.def and slightly lower (12% or so?) MP.
     
  3. Orcoso

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    I don't think l2wh info is correct for classic. Since all stats changed from original l2 o classic
     
  4. Naphoc

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    I guess. But some of the calculations are still correct, so it might be worth to use as a general guideline at least :)
    Just checked the p.atk, and they're pretty much spot on with my ingame character sheet p.atk.
     
  5. Fragola

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    Well, here you are:

     
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  6. Naphoc

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    Nice one!
    Any idea what kind of a difference it made on mp regen? Is it noticable at all?
     
  7. Orcoso

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    Thanks for that, i guess the 55% cast speed def worth the 100 mp and less than 50 mdef. At least at lower lvls, or until they add acumen
     
  8. Fragola

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    it's noticable, yeah. but I forgot to write down the exact numbers. it's 8-9-8-9 when sitting now.
     
  9. Abuse

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    Now lets do the same with archer going -15 dex or -15 con.. Yeah, not gonna happen.

    This dye system is completely ******* broken.
     
  10. Fragola

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    Really? Here you are +12 STR -15 CON:



    CP: 1022->653
    HP: 1460->933
    p attack: 793->965
     
  11. Orcoso

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    it is not worth it...
    losing like 40% CP and 1/3 of your HP for 172 patak lol
     
  12. xHaseo

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    True. That's totaly not worth it...beside you (almost) half ur CP and HP,you only get 160 p.atk points...on the other hand the nuker almost doubled the cast spd (which is totaly worth it) losing just a few points of m.def. Even tho,one stat we can't see is the "debuff resistance"...both CON and MEN works for debuffs...and actually i was wondering : the stats modified by dyes,the STR stat should modify "p.atk and crt dmg"...but if you put the mouse on the stat it only says "P.atk"...now someone my say "it's obvious. higher p.atk = higher crt dmg" but it's not true,what about daggers blows?

    But actually it would be impossible to know the difference...i'd really like to know the difference of a blow damage with -15 STR to see this 'huge' crt dmg nerf :D
     
  13. Apocalypsa

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    Would it be possible to see +12dex(-15con) for orc fighter ? :X3:

    Edit: if possible with both fists and 2h sword.
     
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  14. Naphoc

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    Not sure if you watched the same video as me there, but he got 252 p.atk (713 -> 965), which is 35% extra damage.
    Sure, he's squishy. But he also hits like a truck :)
     
  15. Orcoso

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    I didn't watch the video, I based it off what fragola said, she typed 793 instead of 713. That would be less than 22% increase on the patak.

    But that HP loss is extremely high, I am not sure it worth it if the archers don't have focus SA or a good way to drastically increase their crit rate.

    Can't forget that the mages get +55% on magic crit rate, which is way more damage than the 35% patak a HE would get.
     
  16. Naphoc

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    HP loss is very high, I agree with that.
    I also agree that the attack speed bonus from +12 WIT is pretty insane.
    I do not however understand your reason for saying +55% magic crit rate is more damage than 35% p.atk.

    35% p.atk = 35% more damage on every single shot, both crit and non-crit. (less on abilities, but archers rarely use those outside of PvP anyway for group play)
    +55% magic crit rate is mediocre at best. Mage crits are what... Double damage here?

    Now, with a base of about 10% crit chance:
    +55% = 5.5% higher crit chance. A crit is double damage, so you effectively get +5.5% extra damage.
     
  17. DemiGoth

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    Sounds good for a pure dorf crafter as well, but instead of -MEN do -INT?
     
  18. Orcoso

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    Where did you get that 10% crit chance?
     
  19. Crunchips

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    +12 STR - 15 MEN going to be fairly :Thumbsup:
     
  20. MaxMustermann

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    Not yet! :Roflmao:
    But it is very common to see botchars with names like this (one letter or number(s)).

    It is known.