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People Are Quitting

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by EdwardVB, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. EdwardVB

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    The server population is going down steadily, whether or not this is because the event is over and people are just taking a short break is uncertain. I've been talking to a lot more strangers than usual in L2 to see their point of view. While some people say they are thinking of quitting just because the numbers of people online is getting lower, the others, the majority are displeased with the balancing, real money transactions and exp rate.

    • Stuns last longer than their skills cooldown.
    • Stuns can be reapplied to a target who is already stunned.
    • Classes have multiple stuns even though the land rate is extremely high with just one.
    • Land rate on root, fear and other instant fight winning skills that cast in less than a second is too high.
    • Without surrender to element, and because gloom is still in the game, the necromancer has a clear advantage in damage, health and utility over any other nuker.
    • Resist unholy, water, wind, fire etc are not in the game giving nukers more of an advantage.
    • Mystics can add con and remove strength, but fighters cannot add men and remove int.
    • Dyes can add too many stats leading to casters with +15 wit.
    • Non magic damage dealers use too much mana for physical skills.
    • Assassins miss from flank/rear when nukers and archers can fire at 900 range and hit.
    • Lethal strikes are not in the game allowing an assassin no damage potential against a lot of heavily armored enemies even though they sacrifice range and survivability.
    • Backstab deals the same rear damage as deadly blow when it should be ignoring a portion of the enemy's armor resulting in more damage.
    • Gladiators, tyrants and archers skills crit too frequently, and with no chance of missing.
    • Evasion is worthless until very high levels as most damage taken is from skills.
    • Real money trading is very obvious and seems to be being ignored or not punished severely enough.
    • The economy is being controlled by real money traders and bots.
    • Because the dexterity stat does not add or remove speed when modified, it is being abused.
    • The current exp curve is absurd and demoralizing, even with the 35% event. This kind of grind can only be justified by a massive server population, which is no longer the case.
     
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  2. EileithyiaDK

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  3. EdwardVB

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    Thanks for the opinion I appreciate the reply. Can you elaborate on why you think the parts you mentioned as balanced are balanced?

    After testing backstab very frequently when I feel bored, I can assure you that landing it from the front is either a miracle (3% I think) or your game did not update the defender and attacker's position correctly on your screen.
     
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  4. EileithyiaDK

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    I also see a flaw in the PK system, in comparison to the old version of Lineage II. At least I was joining this classic version, because by "classic" I thought it meant something close to the original game, which it is not. PK'ing was always something special. Something you did if you were really pissed about something or wanting a spot. Now pk'ing is something that just happens all the time. Use a scroll, kill some mobs, and ur good to go. The sin eater quest was a part of the game, though annoying, it seemed to fit nicely into the game design. And to those who actually remembers it, the summon was hilarious.
     
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  5. EdwardVB

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    Yes I forgot to mention the ridiculous PK system right now, I would put it in the main post but I'm unable to edit it now.
     
  6. EileithyiaDK

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    About dagger users: In the very beginning daggers would roll any character and ignore armor completely. This meant that for 60 mp u could one hit anyone you wanted. I think it is only logical that dmg and landrates are decreased when fighting people that are too high for you. A lv 40 dagger is not meant to be able to one hit a lv 50.

    Balance is a funny thing. We must realise that balance doesn't necessarily mean that all classes need to be able to kill each other in 1 on 1. So when you say it's bad that ranged characters have advantaged over melee I can only say "no it's not".Circumstances might change, situations arise and party setup will decide the outcome too. That is way people need to have diversity in their PvP parties in terms of classes. That is my view anyway.
     
  7. EdwardVB

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    I don't think a dagger should be able to 1v1 any class, I just think that if a dagger manages to reach a mage/archer in melee he should have a greater chance of winning by far because he is a melee damage specialist while the mage/archer is a ranged damage specialist. This is especially true because the dagger is not only a melee damage dealer, but it is a melee damage dealer without a stun.
     
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  8. iRayDeN

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    its sad, the hype for this server was the biggest than i have for a l2 server... but the xp curve (wtf 0.02-0.04 at 35 to 40, TOO BORING) stun class with no chance, +15 dyes, pk system (wtf, really, wtf), RMT, bots (i never boted and i know the XXXXXXXX and scrips, but its INSANE botting here, really) is killing the server, i was see 4500 ON and now its 2200? half bots russians

    I lvled a mage with my balls and my hands alone at 42 but i bored, i bored to see overenchanted weaps, i bored to see pks with the scrolls, i bored to see bots but the owner its in the pc, (dorf with heal, mage and heal or anything) i cant do anything, why i need to report? WHY ME? why no add more control in game?
    i bored to be the last ****** for no using XXXXXXXX, bah

    bleh... the xp curve killed my friends, only for this: my friends like the l2 at 2nd class and is pretty BORED to play a 2x class with the xp curve at 30, well, to me its no a real "problem" but this is real, and on the 2nd month of server i see ppl 70 wtf really, on the first month i see a guy with nick "pku" or "ipku" archer OE a eminence with 1 month server life, and he post here, in forum hahahaha ye ye LEGIT, my balls

    With this server only if wanted to play same as old days, but its impossible, l2 has died in c5, classic its only a bussines with the xp curve

    this is my qq ladys, bye
     
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  9. EdwardVB

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    I understand your frustration and there are a lot of people who feel the same way @iRayDeN
     
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    kinda makes me regret renewing my subscription when I read this ...
     
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  11. EdwardVB

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    People if you feel the same way, or even if you don't, please comment and tell us why. We have to bring this to attention or it will simply be ignored.
     
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    sadly i think that l2 classic dream is over. time to wake up. i havent loged for almost 2 weeks. this game was the only game that i wanted to play. but when i see people quiting, numbers declining, the xp curve is not like the old l2.. is worst and we have real life also and all these things it makes me not wanting to log
     
  13. Scarecrow

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    yeah sadly population is in nearly 1 week from over 3k down to nearly 2k. and we are still in the 3 month preorder. im also not sure to log or just quit it, all my friends quitt too and i give innova all the fault for this. no respond in forum to high rated questions, blaming people in forum, bad server start, adena spammers in town, bots everywhere. not even on kain after 1 year you saw so many bots then here but how gms said all checked all are fine. but hey thx for your effort russian company for russion players, no more to say.
     
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    This game is unplayable for casual player and i think most of leavers are casuals who realized that. They figured out that with 2-3h/day they wont be able to enjoy much of that what this game offers. In addition Innova removed scarcity from market (with +++ drop rate) and scarcity is main motivation to work harder (if u win lottery, u'll probably stop working). Ppl even before lvl 40 have enough money to buy full C-equip, so exping is much less rewarding (u dont need to do it for drop anymore, to buy smthing what u need) + but you have to grind 6x more w/o motivation--- its pain w/o gain --- ultimate boredom. In long run this cant be accepted by anybody with life. But Innova forgot that in EU there are much more casuals than in RU, so the game must be customized to EU market to survive (to decrease gap between no-lifers and casuals - not to remove it, but decrease). Ill wait for Innova actions, until then im on stand by mode w/o playing and prolonging my subscription.
     
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    Email items to name BLADE . Cu guys
     
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    While i do agree with the PK Sytem being a complete joke i won't leave. Have fun finding another game like L2.
     
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  17. NoisyBoy

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    This, tried many MMOs but no one is like l2
     
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    I heard that evasion didn't work at all, and in that fact, many archers and daggers are running with heavy armor .. Is that true too ? if yes, klol
     
  19. vagelaras

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    As archer i can say that this is not true. We wear heavy armor because brigandine armor is far better than manti+passive, full plated is far better than any light+passive on C grade. Evasion works as always.

    Let me ask you smthing:

    Brigandine set gives = 217pdef + 5%pdef

    Manticore set gives = 159pdef + 92 mp (and from passive you gain 10-15pdef) total 174

    (i dont count same pdef items such as gloves etc)

    what set would you preffer??? That's an easy answer, the one with maximum pdef.
     
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  20. Scarecrow

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    well on c grade i would pref plated set, but a theca or a heavy would be also good. i dont get hit with my archer at all so i will stay on the plated.