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Discussion in 'Archive' started by Meegosh, Mar 28, 2012.

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  1. Meegosh

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    first of all, i'm wondering why this thread has been locked ?
    i still think it's interesting and there's one or two things to say about that. please do not close fast threads even if it's "touchy" as the l2 eu community should have the right to discuss about any issue.

    for sure inno is for nothing about those awful "fixes". many ppl are coming from private servers and still do not understand anything to the way things works. but i'm coming from ncwest and i got a few things to developp.

    the last fixes (soa farming, pi quest, craft more expensive, drop rate of r downed) are obviously creating a gap in our recent servers. i mean, for those who had possibility to spend much time ig the first 3 months, stuff & xp were very easily farmed... much more easy for ppl with less time ig and those fixes to stand with now !! and those fixes makes even bigger the gap between "nolife players" on inno than the one existing on ncwest servers (when it tooks years on ncw to make such a huge gap).

    ncsoft k makes its fixes regardless other servers than the korean ones. those fixes aren't an issue for nck and ncw, since the communities are old and server population stabilized/stuffed/xped (and moreover, they have mentoring for newbie easy xp and attributes gathering empowered)

    but for inno server, this gap created within a record short period (4 months) makes the attractivness for newbie players up to nothing.
    do you guyz reallize that such "fixes" will make almost impossible to recover the gap between people who'd farm their xp/stuff easily (and which are the ones who spend the bigger amount of time ig) and those who arrive later or spend less time ig who will have to deal with those fixes?

    my question is, do you really need to update with every nck patches ?
    can't you smooth a little the pain of those updates ? i mean, for instance, pi quest shouldn't be a big deal to be re-valuated.


    many players seem to be happy with this as they are already stuffed and xped, and thus they think they'll keep the hand on other players and will spend good time forever. those low-minded just do not reallize that any update which is breaking the competition will also break dynamics for servers and at the end, stop the income of population and make the game ennoying.

    ps. sorry if my english sometime's a bit odd :)
     
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  2. TeMePyT

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    well from what i see, prices in ah are kinda lower than before harmony update, stuff keep dropping and prices go down. so this making gap theory is sort of a ****. items keep dropping (not with the insane ammount before harmony ofc but they do drop), there`s many 90+ players already that drop tw/seraph items and that makes the prices go down. i bought my seraph stuff alot more expensive before, ppl after me will get it alot more cheaper. the only real bad nerf nc made is the pi quest. rest is more than ok imho.
     
  3. Meegosh

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    example please, as on aria's market prices have raised "quite a bit" for tw. probably on core that kind of stuff price's droping as the people are on the next grade.
    and craft 4 times more expansive won't help.

    once again, when some ppl could farm all day long in soa and makes attributes like nothing, they empowered their stuff better than any new player will be able to do in more than 6 months (at this point i dunno if dagger are really able to farm there). if you don't see where's the problem, can't do anything for u :)

    wee are not a pro clan. we incomed very casual players who yesterday where thinking about quit as from their sight, they'll never be able to be better than a bunch of npc on a battlefield. i'm sure this isn't a good gift for inno nor its communities
     
  4. TeMePyT

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    core prices are droping, i cant talk bout aria as i dont play there, but i guess its cos u dont have the ammount of players core have. u say some ppl could farm whole day soa for attry, should i start qq cos i`m healer and i cant do that at all? yday in soa i saw many iss lurking, so ye, they can still do that too. i`m a healer and i have equiped myself well-tw set+jewels, seraph set+jewels, apo buster acu. without any help-all by myself. and i even have money to buy crystal rune every week and to borrow friends. all u need to do to get gear is to play the game. but seems most of u never played c2-3, where we were crafting c-b grade gear from basic mats and all u know is to demand easy stuff. may be next thing u`ll ask is gmshop npc where u can buy all grade sets, enchants and atributes, bj sets, cat for auto sub/nobless...?
     
  5. Meegosh

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    i'm sk and leveled a char to farm. you shall start qq coz u were too lazy to make the right things to farm correctly :)


    the problem is not to get the gear, the problem is the easy way previous-last fixes players get their stuff/xp when any new player will have to do without this and obviously never be able to recover the gap with former players. i'm playing since c2, and i was sorry/complaining about the fast-food way l2 have been updated since h5. but now that it has been done, there's no point making the game back to its old hardcore way if it creates unbalanced differences between players before/after fixes. this just draw our recent servers to total inatractiveness for new players, and i've seen on ncw how it ends.
     
  6. DeepBlue

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    to answer this question, no innova can not choose what to update or implement, innova have to use the patches that nck give them.

    the thread was removed at request of the author.


    regards.
     
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  7. Medous

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    nothing to complain about the dev's of that server, since they just copy the official updates, just to answer creater's post:

    this is "freeshard", and to make any profit, they have to invent new rules, to make ppl spend money again. simple as that -

    -they checked that nearly no one need to buy any vitality, exp or anything else, since he becomes 77 and goes to pi, to reach 85 = cutted.
    -stone of destiny for 10 euro
    -still no mentee certificate (whats so hard about to place it for 1 cent into l2store? nothing) and it wont come soon, even now, as the server dies without new registrations (those who start a new character are mostly twinks of already registered high lvl players here). cuz with mentee 2x exp you dont need to buy vitality again.
    -made r craft 10x expensive and drop rate lower to higher the prizes, and let ppl have lesser money. to force to buy l2store items and resell them on market for adena? i wouldnt wonder.

    and last thing to meegosh - even without those updates, the gap wouldnt be closed, since a few "choosen" go spezion and have quests for full r95, and more as a 1kkk adena.
     
  8. Alarion

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    price or core are lower and lower. i dont care about aria because this server was dead since the begining, so who cares? : )
     
  9. DeepBlue

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    this is not a "freeshard" these servers are the official european servers for lineageii

    regards.
     
  10. Medous

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    well u know what i mean. those servers that dont ask for a monthly fee to be able to play are freeshards for me. but you are right ofc.
     
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    if u think core is freeshard dont go near ncwest servers because u will be dramatized by destruction scrools power shirts and all other "pay to win" items they have in l2store:d
     
  12. zzZzz

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    shut up!! innova can hear you!
     
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    merge core & aria !!!! just the moment now !!!! if not make it lot of pll come out !!!!
     
  14. Meegosh

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    this is dramatic (because nck & ncw servers are totally different than ours and fixes can imply unfair unbalances), but anyway, thanks for the answer
     
  15. DeepBlue

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    what you say maybe valid but ncw for example have had to implement these patches on their new servers aswell as their old servers so everyone is in the same situation, only nck have the power to make these changes and the rest of us have to follow what they develop.

    regards.
     
  16. Meegosh

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    totally right, and i noticed the same complains from ppl actually on the fresh new serveurs ncw as you can see from this thread

    but even though the threat is bigger for inno servers since :
    - you do properly your job against botting (and we have to thank you for that). on the fresh new ncw the market situation is different as bot are feeding the market with "easy attributes"'.
    - ncw has the mentoring implemented which means attributes rewards & easy lvling up to 85

    from my point of view, the risk is huge of a great population drop for eu servers. or at least no expansion of the community.
     
  17. DeepBlue

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    yes i agree there is always an element of risk when implementing new changes to a game, especially one as old as lineageii and of course to newer servers, but innova are tied and have limitations on what they can and cant do so we have to live with these changes but it is also the reason why we are now asking for players feedback and questions to be directed straight to korea here questions the the developers' team so that you, as players, can be heard because after all, you play the game so your feedback should be heard.

    regards.
     
  18. Dudnex

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    make yourself a private java server and play there alone without any changes for 5 years if u dont like it..
     
  19. Meegosh

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    make a thread to raise an altar to ncsoft smartness so you can enjoy alone without any discuss about choices made by your beloved company (and never ever qq in the future about any change)

    i feel a bit guilty to pay attention to a troll but eh, got time to loose this morning :)
     
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  20. RedWind

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    :d what idiot you must to be.... :d
     
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